On this episode of STEP INTO THE STORY PODCAST, Phil talks with Jesse DeYoung, pastor at Flatirons Community Church, about the intersection of family, suffering, and ministry—and how God meets us in all three.

Jesse reflects on the rich heritage of faith he received from his parents, including his father Brent’s years as a Walk Thru the Bible instructor, and the way his parents protected and involved their kids in ministry so that church became a place of joy, not resentment.

He also shares a heartfelt account of walking through his dad’s long cancer journey, the grief of loss, and the “dark night of the soul” that followed—when belief in God still made sense in his mind, but felt distant in his heart.

It’s an honest, hopeful, and deeply encouraging conversation for anyone who loves the church, has been hurt by the church, or is serving in leadership and longing to stay healthy over the long haul.

It’s a heartfelt conversation you won’t want to miss.